I hope that you enjoy reading this post on the weekly Friday Loose Bloggers Consortium where six of us write on the same topic. Today’s topic was chosen by The Old Fossil. The five other bloggers who write regularly are, in alphabetical order, gaelikaa, Maxi, Paul, Shackman, and The Old Fossil. Do drop in on their blogs and see what their take is on this week’s topic. Since some of them may post late, do give some allowance for that too!
endless knot
noun: fate; plural noun: Fates; plural noun: the Fates

the development of events outside a person’s control, regarded as predetermined by a supernatural power.
“fate decided his course for him”
past participle: fated; verb: fate; 3rd person present: fates; gerund or present participle: fating

be destined to happen, turn out, or act in a particular way.
“the regime was fated to end badly”
A beautiful word that can be used as a noun as well as a verb. For me, an Indian, a necessary word in day to day conversations. Karma. Karma in turn means so many things depending on context that a separate post will be needed. For the purpose of this post, suffice it to say that I intend focusing on the endless action / reaction chain that is depicted in the endless knot shown at the start of this post.

“Now as a man is like this or like that,
according as he acts and according as he behaves, so will he be;
a man of good acts will become good, a man of bad acts, bad;
he becomes pure by pure deeds, bad by bad deeds;

And here they say that a person consists of desires,
and as is his desire, so is his will;
and as is his will, so is his deed;
and whatever deed he does, that he will reap.”

~ Brihadaranyaka Upanishad.

The core aspect in this theory is that all beings come into existence and move on till they reach the stage in evolution when they stop getting born again. Popularly known as Nirvana, Mukti and Liberation.

There are three types of karmas.
1. Sanchita Karmas are accumulated works,
2. Prarabdha Karmas are ripe or fructuous actions, and
3. Kriyamana or Agami Karmas are current works

We use a modern phenomenon to explain this. Sanchita karma is the accumulated balance in one’s bank account. Please note that there is nothing good or bad about this accumulation. It is there collected over many lives. Prarabhda karmas are the ones where one removes some amounts for current expenditure and Agami karmas are what you put back into the balance to add to the Sanchita Karma.

Once one gains knowledge of Brahma, or attains Buddhahood or whatever, his Sanchita karma is completely wiped out but the mind body intellect complex that has already manifested itself as a result of pervious Sanchitas has to undergo the effect part of its own karmic cycles. The consciousness which is Brahma simply witnesses the process. The I stops being the I.

Hari Om Tatsat.

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29 Responses to Fate.

  1. KRD Pravin says:

    Dear uncleji, I was reading Ashtavakra Geeta by Osho, in that he said (paraphrase) – if there is any sanchita karma or anything to do with all these past and present – you as a human wont be able to be enlightened.

    I know this Osho said in context of Ashtavakra Geeta. He might have said something else somewhere else. So what is your take on that? Do you think that our all actions e.g. even eating some Veg stuff, (Non veg may attract “killing” by / for anyone) can cause some sanchita or Prarabdha karma that may trouble us in next life?

    Remember you have been telling me about “Nature” Vritti of a person. You said you would tell me more details on that when we meet. Do you think when I asking above question, I am leading towards the same question?

    • I am unable to comment as I do not know in what context Osho said that. It is contrary to Patanjali’s yoga sutras. I maintain that my understanding is that the body, mind and intellect complex will have to undergo its scheduled time in this life, but the Self simply witnesses that and does not generate any new karmas. That is the effect of the enlightenment or what we call Mukti.

      • Pravin says:

        Please read my comment on this link – http://business2buddha.com/2014/01/25/morality-who-is-the-judge/#comments

        Actually, the blog has some kind of question in it. See you have commented there… I was referring to that communication of ours when I wrote first comment

        • My apologies. I answered only part of your question pertaining to Osho’s comment. Swadharma dear Pravin is also a result of your Sanchita. Is it not obvious that what you are today is the result of all that has gone before you were this body, mind, intellect complex? That has to play out its effect but one who understands that moksha is the purushartha and one should strive to achieve that in this life will try and overcome the negative swadharma if that is also ordained for him. Where it is not, like for Duryodhana who clearly says that he accepts that he is evil and will continue to be evil, he will have to play out his karmas over more life times.

  2. Maxi says:

    And as is his will, so is his deed. I like this.
    blessings ~ maxi
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  3. tammyj says:

    i had to read that very slowly again.
    it took the meaning of fate in a new direction for me. a deeper direction.
    i had only always thought of it being similar or even the same as your synchronicity!
    i must think more on it. but i have always believed in fate.
    and i have examples in my own life. thanks rummy for a very interesting post.
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    • Once one has studied the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the process of understanding karma or fate undergoes a change. It happened to me and answered many unanswered questions for me.

  4. I believe we control our own fate. Simple as that. We kae choices and through our acction and inaction we dictate our outcomes.

  5. I don’t think in terms of karma, but I do cultivate my observing consciousness. That’s the part of my mind that notices what I’m doing and feeling with no attachment. And it’s the part that tries to understand the other person’s point of view when I’m interacting with them. It’s powerful stuff. Well worth developing.
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  6. Grannymar says:

    Where is the Karma for four people sitting in a car at traffic lights when an articulated vehicle jackknifes, cutting the top off the car and the heads of the people? Where is the Karma of young innocent children blown to bits by landmines or bombs? I just don’t get it!
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    • It was their karma and not the people in the car that just left before them, that they had to get their heads sheared. It was also their karma that they did not suffer a painful and prolonged death. Karma explains precisely the kind of questions that you raise. One can of course not go that route at all and no harm in that. It is just that I have studied the theory and have shared what I have learned.

    • Ursula says:

      Neither do I, Grannymar. And even if we did get it, no disrespect to you, Ramana: What is the purpose of Karma? We live in the here and now. And – allow me to bring this down to the lowest common denominator – to pay now for whatever happened in a previous life is of no use to me, the one who went on before, the one who comes after. There are premises made which I don’t understand. But then I don’t believe in heaven and hell either.

      As I said, Ramana, no disrespect to you and anyone else who takes the concept of Karma on board, but there is clearly a cultural divide here.

      Peasant greetings from Europe,
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      • There is absolutely no purpose other than to try and find answers to life’s riddles. When no other sensible or logical answer can be got for say something like Why Me? Karma offers a plausible answer.

  7. Ashok says:

    What you have mentioned aligns very closely with some of the Buddhist teachings I have read, validating how India gave birth to such profoundly intense schools of thought. I believe what the book “Sidhartha” represented to me, in that, the path to Brahma can only be experienced never learnt. I am still in the material phase of Sidhartha’s life and remain committed to finding my own peace, although i am more than willing to take my time for it.
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  8. Cathy in NZ says:

    It must be a cultural aspect, because I don’t think about what my past life might have been or will be in the future. Sometimes I can plainly see it was fate that caused whatever, for me/others but most of the time it’s just ‘something that happens’ for whatever reason one deems it to be…I think if we starting thinking of it as outside of us/personal/family then we would be completed tied up in knots and never see the real world unfolding before us…
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    • Yes Cathy, it is most certainly a cultural aspect. I really wish that more work on the Biblical idiom “As you sow, so shall you reap.” can be carried out to harmonise with the cause and effect theory in physics.

  9. vagabonde says:

    Well I have been a Buddhist since the mid 1960s when I lived in San Francisco. I believe in karma but I also believe that you have the free will to change and so affect your karma – that you may have some karma debts to pay but fate will not be involved, if that makes any sense.
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  10. The only sort of karma I believe in is that the way people behave has consequences. But in a more mystical way, I don’t believe in fate.
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    • Actually, in the strict narrow definition of the word, it is balderdash. If you accept cause and effect phenomenon, that is more than enough to understand Karma.

  11. nick says:

    I don’t believe in karma or reincarnation, only as Agent says, that our behaviour has consequences. I do believe in fate though. Clearly things happen to us that we haven’t predicted or aimed at, and in the absence of any obvious explanation can only put it down to fate, meaning a sort of chance combination of circumstances.
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  12. Max Coutinho says:

    Hi Rummy,

    Thank you, thank you and thank you, for this delightful post.
    I believe in Karma (as you know) as a purging process. A bad person in this life will experience things in the next ones that will push him/her to be a better person. And the opposite also occurs (good turning less good), as a way to learn both sides of the coin and restore balance.
    Being absolutely good will create a disequilibrium, and being absolutely bad is highly destructive (i.e. also a state of disequilibrium); so the challenge is to balance both; and this can only be learned through the cycles of life – some will need a few and others several to learn.
    The path of existence on earth is complex but extremely interesting.

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    • Without polarity existence simply cannot play out Max and the Eastern systems try and explain this through the theory of karma. Thank you for the ebullient response.

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